Canada and Me

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The few paragraphs below were written and posted here in January 2008 and they still correctly describe my thoughts. Yet much has happened since! A log of developments is in the sections further down. For the current state of affairs, see

Canada is a truly wonderful country. In my opinion, one of the best there are, and definitely better than the other two countries in which I have lived for long periods of time, Israel and the United States. Yet in the foreseeable future I doubt I will sign the Canadian Oath of Citizenship, and hence I doubt I will become a Canadian citizen any time soon. The oath reads:

I affirm that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, Queen of Canada, Her Heirs and Successors, and that I will faithfully observe the laws of Canada and fulfil my duties as a Canadian citizen.

The laws are fine; I'm ready to observe them and to fulfill my duties as a Canadian citizen. But allegiance to the Queen? This or any, or a king, or their heirs? No, that's not for me. Royalty represents that some people may be born with a state-sanctioned privilege. This is hard for me to stomach. (And if royalty is a stain, a state-sanctioned stain is harder to stomach).

I can imagine a future time when dire needs, or merely the wish to better take part in the civil life of the country I live in, will lead me to change my position, tell a little white lie, and take the oath. But probably not for a while, and possibly never.

Just to be clear, I regret this greatly. I would much rather be a Canadian citizen.

Quick Links

For quick reference, here are some links to the most important documents (with the 2 most important to me, not necessarily to the case, on top):

Document Link Posted / Modified
My July 2013 opinion document Response.pdf 2013-09-23
My affidavit BAR-NATAN_Affidavit.pdf 2012-09-16
My November 2013 pre-oath letter PreOath.pdf 2013-09-23
Our response to the document right below ResponseToResponseToTheApplicationForLeaveToAppeal.pdf 2014-11-13
The Attorney General's response to our "Leave to Appeal" at the Supreme Court of Canada ResponseToTheApplicationForLeaveToAppeal.pdf 2014-11-08
Our "Leave to Appeal" at the Supreme Court of Canada LeaveToAppeal.pdf 2014-10-09
Our "Leave to Appeal" authorities (references) document LeaveToAppealAuthorities1.pdf and LeaveToAppealAuthorities2.pdf 2014-10-09
Decision on the appeal AppealDecision.pdf (also here) 2014-08-16
Press release for the appeal OathAppealPressRelease.pdf 2014-04-06
Our response to the cross-appeal OathAppellantsFactumAsRespondentsToTheCrossAppeal.pdf 2014-02-11
The Attorney General's response to our appeal and their cross-appeal (annotated) Oath_Case_Respondents_factum_090114@.pdf (unannotated version) 2014-02-11
Our appeal factum OurAppealFactum.pdf 2013-11-15
Judge Morgan's decision McAteer_v._AGC_20130920.pdf 2013-09-20
Press release Here 2013-07-08
Applicant's Factum (in practice, a summary of our case) APPLICANTS'_FACTUM.pdf 2013-06-13
Factum of the Attorney General of Canada (the government's response) AttorneyGeneralFactum.pdf 2013-07-04
The application to the Ontario Superior Court of Justice AmendedApplication-121121.pdf 2012-11-21
Affidavit of Michael McAteer (the "first" applicant) AFFIDAVIT_OF_MICHAEL_MCATEER.pdf 2012-11-12
Affidavit of Simone E.A. Topey (the "second" applicant) Topey_Affidavit.pdf 2012-11-12
Affidavit of Ashok Charles AFFIDAVIT_OF_ASHOK_CHARLES.pdf 2012-11-12
Affidavit of Howard Jerome Gomberg AFFIDAVIT_OF_HOWARD_JEROME_GOMBERG.pdf 2012-11-12
Affidavit of Randall White AFFIDAVIT_OF_RANDALL_WHITE.pdf 2012-11-12

Further documents and links are in Pensieve: Projects: Citizenship. I currently owe the cause $142.72 (see November 11, 2017).

Added November 11, 2017 - Web Hosting

Just spent $107.12 on web hosting for My debt to the cause goes down from the $249.84 of November 11, 2015 to $142.72.

Added March 17, 2016 - Interview at Spadina Literary Review

I was briefly interviewed at the Spadina Literary Review. The source files: SpadinaLiteraryReviewInterview.docx, SpadinaLiteraryReviewInterview.pdf.

Added February 9, 2016 - Oath Taken and Partially Disavowed

Oath taken and partially disavowed, back on November 30, 2015. More at

Added November 22, 2015 - is now live!

Added November 13, 2015 - Pre-oath letter, timing changes

I finalized my "pre-oath letter" to the presiding citizenship judge and went to Citizenship and Immigration Canada Scarborough Office to find the name of said judge and her/his mailing address. To my surprise and delight, they were nice and accommodating; I ended up talking to John Lu, the manager of said office, who gave me the information I was seeking. He also requested that I agree to take the oath a few days later, so that the venue would be their office rather than the original venue which was off-site. I agreed and so my new oath date and time is Monday November 30 at 10:30AM, and the Scarborough CIC at 200 Town Centre Court, Suite 370, Scarborough. We agreed that at the "taking pictures with the judge" phase of the ceremony, which is after the oath itself, I will be able to present a "disavowal letter" to the judge. I hope to post pictures here on or soon after November 30!

Added November 11, 2015 - Web Hosting

Just spent $129.66 on web hosting for a future web site (not yet active). My debt to the cause goes down from the $379.50 of March 4 to $249.84.

Added November 10, 2015 - Invited

I just got invited to take the oath on November 28. I plan to follow paragraph 76 of the judgement against us to the letter:

"... the appellants have the opportunity to publicly disavow what they consider to be the message conveyed by the oath. ..."

Added August 6, 2015 - Nothing New

Nothing new so far, so I called CIC at 1-888-242-2100 to ask for news. "Call again after October 8", they said.

Added March 4, 2015 - Process Renewed

As I have indicated in my affidavit, paragraph 19, I am now unfreezing my citizenship process. $11.40 for registered mail to Citizenship and Immigration Canada, meaning that I owe the cause $114.00 in addition to the $265.50 of March 24, 2014, to a total of $379.50.

Added February 26, 2015 - Dismissed

Our application to the Supreme Court of Canada for a leave to appeal was dismissed. This may or may not be the end of the story - I am studying my further options.

Added November 13, 2014 - Response To Response to Leave to Appeal

Our response to the document right below.

Added November 8, 2014 - Response to Leave to Appeal

The Attorney General filed their response to our "leave to appeal" at the Supreme Court of Canada.

Added October 9, 2014 - Leave to Appeal

We filed our "leave to appeal" at the Supreme Court of Canada today! In English: we request that our appeal will be heard, and the Supreme Court may or may not grant our request. The Attorney General now has 30 days to respond, then we will have another 10 days to respond to them, and sometime later, probably in early 2015, the Supreme Court will announce whether or not they will hear the appeal. Documents: LeaveToAppeal.pdf and references, LeaveToAppealAuthorities1.pdf and LeaveToAppealAuthorities2.pdf.

Also, I forgot to write that already in August attorney Nicolas Martin Rouleau joined our case. In fact, he did the major part of the work on the "leave to appeal".

Added August 20, 2014 - CBC Radio One

An hour-long radio program on the subject in CBC Radio One is here. There's a short clip from an older interview with me early on, and many phone calls, and a lot by Peter Rosenthal.

Added August 16, 2014 - Appeal Lost

We lost the appeal (already a few days ago, but I was canoeing with no access to phone/internet, so I only heard about it late yesterday). The judges' decision is here. We will ask for a leave to be heard by the Supreme Court of Canada.

Added May 12, 2014 - Oath Postponed

I was informed today that my citizenship ceremony had been postponed "pending litigation". Yey!


Added May 2, 2014 - Invited to take Oath

I got invited to take the oath on May 20! I won't, of course. I don't know yet if this will kill my citizenship application and I will have to restart, or if Citizenship and Immigration Canada will agree to postpone the oath for as long as the the case is in the courts. We will ask, of course.

Added April 9, 2014 - Legal Team, CTV Interview

Cnplaw1.jpg Cnplaw2.jpg

Our legal team: Selwyn Pieters, Reni Chang, and Peter Rosenthal (not in pictures: Michael Smith).

Also, my interview on CTV yesterday is here.

Added April 8, 2014 - Appeal Heard

Our appeal was heard today! Needless to say, I thought our side was the more convincing... But more seriously, it very hard to tell what the judges thought, and there isn't much to do other than to wait a few weeks or months until they reach their decision.

Added April 7, 2014 - Radio Interview

My radio interview with Jim Richards of the Jim Richards Showgram is at InterviewWithJimRichards-140407.mp3.

Added April 6, 2014 - Appeal Soon

Our appeal will be heard at the federal court of appeal for Ontario on Tuesday April 8, 2014, at 10:30AM in a courtroom at Osgoode Hall, 130 Queen St. W., Toronto. See OathAppealPressRelease.pdf.

Added March 24, 2014 - Citizenship Test Passed

I passed the citizenship test and the oath is now just 1-2 months away. They said they wouldn't allow me to postpone the oath, so possibly even that will have to go through the courts. Anyway, $5.40 was spent on public transportation to the offices of Citizenship and Immigration Canada, meaning that I owe the cause $54.00 in addition to the $211.50 of Feb 12, 2014, to a total of $265.50.

Added March 6, 2014 - Citizenship Test, 3

I got re-re-invited to take the citizenship test. This time the date is good: March 24, 2014. My first test to take (rather than write) in about 8 years! The previous was when I needed to get a "Powered Vessel Operator's Permit" to operate the backup motor of a sailboat within the Toronto Harbour.

Added February 12, 2014 - Citizenship Test, 2

I got re-invited for the citizenship test. Again unfortunately, the scheduled date is February 21, and on that date I will be in a conference in Vienna. So today I had to send a letter by registered mail asking for a new new date. $10.85 for the postage means that I owe the cause $108.50 in addition to the $103.00 of Dec 16, 2013, to a total of $211.50.

Added February 11, 2014 - Appeal Date Set, New Documents

I just learned that the Court of Appeal for Ontario will be hearing our appeal on April 8, 2014. Also, some new documents posted: Oath_Case_Respondents_factum_090114@.pdf (annotated), Oath_Case_Respondents_factum_090114.pdf (raw), and OathAppellantsFactumAsRespondentsToTheCrossAppeal.pdf.

Added December 16, 2013 - Citizenship Test, 1

I got invited for the citizenship test. Unfortunately I was out of the country for the whole interval between the date the invitation was sent (November 21) and the date of the test (December 9), so I missed the test and today I had to send a letter by registered mail asking for a new date. $10.30 for the postage means that I owe the cause $103.00.

Added November 15, 2013 - Appeal Factum Online

Our appeal factum is now online.

Added September 21, 2013 - Updated "Opinion Document"

I've updated my "opinion document" at to include a preliminary comment on Judge Morgan's decision.

Added September 20, 2013 - First Round Lost

We lost the first round, yet Judge Morgan agrees that freedom of speech is infringed by the oath (see Judge Morgan's decision). I disagree with much (but not all) of the decision, though it will take me/us some time to write a reasoned response.

Added July 22, 2013 - Opinion Document

I've added my "opinion document" at

Added July 13, 2013 - TV Interview

I had a live-TV interview with Brian Dunstan of Sun News. Here it is, on their page and as my own low-quality rip. (I hope to eventually get the sources from them and put a decent quality version here).

Added July 12, 2013 - Hearing!

We had our court day today! I think it went very well, but the judge makes the decision and we have to see what he thinks. The decision is expected in 1-4 months.

There definitely was interest from the press:


Added July 11, 2013 - Courtroom Update

The courtroom for tomorrow (Friday July 12, 10AM) will be Courtroom 708, 393 University Ave., Toronto Courtroom 5 - 0 at 330 University Ave (West side of University just north of Queen St.).

Also, as of today this page is reverse-chronological rather than chronological, and I have re-ordered the "Quick Links" section.

Added July 8, 2013 - Press Release


This Friday (July 12) the long-standing Charter challenge to the requirement of taking an oath of allegiance to the Queen in order to obtain Canadian citizenship will be argued at the Superior Court of Justice at 10 AM in a downtown Toronto courtroom to be determined. (A second reminder notice will be sent shortly, once the location of the courtroom becomes available.)

The Citizenship Act requires applicants for citizenship to swear or affirm that they will bear true allegiance to Queen Elizabeth the Second and her Heirs and Successors. Many people who feel that the monarchy is an anti-democratic relic of the past conscientiously object to taking such an oath and feel that it should suffice to take an oath to Canada.

Twenty years ago, the late civil rights lawyer Charles Roach launched a Charter challenge to this oath in the Federal Court; he lost. In 2005, Mr. Roach started a similar case in Ontario's Superior Court. The Attorney General of Canada argued that this case should not be heard because of the earlier dismissal by the Federal Court. However, it was ruled that, as a result of changes in Charter jurisprudence in the past twenty years, the case could go ahead.

Mr. Roach died on October 2, 2012. The case is now proceeding on behalf of three new applicants: Michael McAteer (retired former journalist for the Toronto Star), Simone Topey (of the Black Action Defence Committee) and Dror Bar-Natan (Professor of Mathematics at the University of Toronto).

For reasons of conscience and/or religion, the applicants feel that they cannot take the oath. They are arguing that the oath requirement violates their rights to freedom of religion and conscience pursuant to section 2(a) of the Charter, their right to freedom of expression provided by section 2(b) of the Charter, and their equality rights guaranteed by section 15(1) of the Charter. The Attorney General of Canada is arguing that "The inability to enjoy the benefits of citizenship - to hold a Canadian passport and to vote - are amongst the costs reasonably borne by individuals whose personal beliefs run counter to Canada's foundational heritage."

Peter Rosenthal, one of the lawyers representing the applicants, said: "Like the present applicants, Charles Roach really wanted to become a citizen of Canada but his conscience would not allow him to take an oath to a person that symbolized inequality. I hope that that this case will vindicate Mr. Roach's extraordinary efforts to promote equal dignity of all human beings."

For more information, contact any of the applicants or Peter Rosenthal: Michael McAteer,; Simone Topey,; Dror Bar-Natan,; Peter Rosenthal,

-- CITIZENSHIP OATH CHALLENGE COMMITTEE Ashok Charles. Michael McAteer, Peter Rosenthal

Added July 4, 2013 - Factums

Posted APPLICANTS'_FACTUM.pdf (2-3 weeks ago) and AttorneyGeneralFactum.pdf (today).

Added November 21, 2012 - Added to Lawsuit

Three things today:

  • I got an envelope from Citizenship and Immigration Canada, confirming that they are processing my application for citizenship.
  • I got confirmation from Peter Rosenthal that I was formally added as an applicant to the application (lawsuit) (ChangingApplicants-121121.pdf), and that the application itself was slightly revised, mostly to reflect the name changes. The revised application is AmendedApplication-121121.pdf.
  • I've added a "Quick Links" section near the top of this page.

Added November 12, 2012 - Some Affidavits

Some new affidavits at Pensieve: Projects: Citizenship:

Added November 8, 2012 - Australian Oath

My friend Brendan McKay wrote:

Good luck with that. We in Australia still have that queen person but we got rid of swearing allegiance to her long ago. New citizens have to make the following pledge, but can choose to leave out "under God" if they want:
From this time forward, [under God,]
I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people,
whose democratic beliefs I share,
whose rights and liberties I respect, and
whose laws I will uphold and obey.

Added November 1, 2012 - Cheque Written


Added October 4, 2012 - Roach Passed Away, Hearing Set

Sad news: I have just learned from Peter Rosenthal that the "first applicant" in our lawsuit against the government of Canada, Charlie Roach, passed away a few days ago. The lawsuit moves on, of course.

Good news: I have also learned from Peter that the date for the hearing of the suit has been set to be July 12, 2013.

Added September 22, 2012 - Citizenship Application Sent

I have just sent my application for a Canadian citizenship (the oath itself is still about a year away, assuming reasonable processing times). The fee for the application was $200 and the postage $14.58. I have therefore put aside an amount of $2,145.80 to be spent on the above lawsuit, at the discretion of the lawyer pursuing it, Peter Rosenthal.

Added September 16, 2012 - Lawsuit!

Over the last week I learned of a lawsuit against the government of Canada aiming to drop the requirement to affirm allegiance to a monarch; most likely I will be joining that lawsuit as one of the applicants. I will be posting material related to that lawsuit at Pensieve: Projects: Citizenship. At the moment there are only two files there:

Added August 7, 2012 - First Donation


On August 7, 2012 I paid $15.81 for two passport photos of myself and donated $158.10 to Citizens for a Canadian Republic. Those photos look just like passport photos; evidence on the right.

Added July 19, 2012 - Citizenship Process Started

On July 19, 2012 I have decided to start the process of becoming a Canadian citizen on July 31, 2012, exactly 10 years after my arrival to Canada and long after my wife and kids have become citizens. I will however uphold the following:

  • For any $ amount I will be spending on becoming Canadian (fees, photographs, photocopies, stamps, anything) I will donate 10 times as much to Citizens for a Canadian Republic or a similar organization. If the expense will force a delay in the proceedings, the proceedings will be delayed. A summary of these expenses and donations will be posted here.
  • On the day that I will take my citizenship oath (if it will not be changed by then), I will write a personal yet public letter to the Canadian monarch acknowledging being bound by the oath yet asking her/him to release me from the "allegiance to a monarch" part of that oath, and explaining my reasons for wishing not to be bound by an oath to a monarch.