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		<title>Drorbn at 22:47, 12 October 2006</title>
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		<title>Drorbn at 22:35, 12 October 2006</title>
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		<title>Drorbn at 22:33, 12 October 2006</title>
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This [[paperlet]] was born as [[06-1350/Class Notes for Tuesday October 10]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:PlasticTrinions.jpg|thumb|right|150px|Plastic trinions]]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Question 1.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; Can you embed a trinion (a.k.a. a sphere with three holes, a pair of pants, or a band theta graph) in &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;{\mathbb R}^3&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; so that each boundary component would be unknotted yet each pair of boundary components would be knotted? How about, so that at least one pair of boundary components would be knotted?&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;{{Dror}}&amp;#039;s Speculation.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; Yes and yes.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Question 2.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; A trinion &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\gamma&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; is embedded in &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;{\mathbb R}^3&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; so that its boundary is the trivial 3-component link. Does it follow that &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\gamma&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; is trivial?&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;{{Dror}}&amp;#039;s Speculation.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; No.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Question 3.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; Suppose two trinions &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\gamma_1&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\gamma_2&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; are knotted so that the pushforwards &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\gamma_{1\star}L&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\gamma_{2\star}L&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; are equal for any link &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;L&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; which is &amp;quot;drawn&amp;quot; on the parameter space &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\Gamma&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; of &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\gamma_1&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\gamma_2&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;. Does it follow that &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\gamma_1&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\gamma_2&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; are equivalent?&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;{{Dror}}&amp;#039;s Speculation.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; I&amp;#039;m clueless.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:StrappedTrinion.svg|thumb|right|150px|The standardly embedded strapped trinion]]&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Question 4.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; A trinion &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\gamma&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; is embedded in &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;{\mathbb R}^3&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; so that its &amp;quot;strapped boundary&amp;quot; is equivalent to the strapped boundary of the trivially embedded trinion. Does it follow that &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\gamma&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; is trivial?&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;{{Dror}}&amp;#039;s Speculation.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; If yes, it will have terrific consequences. If no, it will explain some of the misery we encounter when we deal with &amp;quot;associators&amp;quot;. I would really like to understand this one.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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