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		<title>Drorbn at 18:51, 14 March 2014</title>
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		<title>Drorbn at 18:49, 14 March 2014</title>
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  &lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;:&lt;/ins&gt;I have one comment- you claim it is weaker than Galois. At least in one&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt; important aspect I think it is much stronger. I challenge you to show with Galois theory that if we add exp(z) to our list of allowed operations, a solution cannot be found...&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
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		<title>Drorbn: Created page with &quot;Boaz wrote:   I have one comment- you claim it is weaker than Galois. At least in one  important aspect I think it is much stronger. I challenge you to show with  Galois theor...&quot;</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;Boaz wrote:   I have one comment- you claim it is weaker than Galois. At least in one  important aspect I think it is much stronger. I challenge you to show with  Galois theor...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;Boaz wrote:&lt;br /&gt;
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 I have one comment- you claim it is weaker than Galois. At least in one&lt;br /&gt;
 important aspect I think it is much stronger. I challenge you to show with&lt;br /&gt;
 Galois theory that if we add exp(z) to our list of allowed operations, a&lt;br /&gt;
 solution cannot be found...&lt;br /&gt;
 In fact, I guess you can add to the list of allowed functions any continuous&lt;br /&gt;
 multivalued function with up to 4 values and it won&amp;#039;t help (of course with 5&lt;br /&gt;
 values you can solve it since the solution is such a function...). Am I right?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I believe Boaz is right, and he is making a very strong point - not only there is no formula for the roots of a quadratic in terms of radicals - in fact this remains true even if we are allowed to use other &amp;#039;&amp;#039;univalent&amp;#039;&amp;#039; functions.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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